tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post2346694941090358537..comments2024-03-27T08:47:53.648-07:00Comments on Nutfield Genealogy: Ginger Harvey of LondonderryHeather Wilkinson Rojohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-28921773642800898442020-01-03T06:30:42.689-08:002020-01-03T06:30:42.689-08:00Great update, Mike. Thanks for keeping us posted!Great update, Mike. Thanks for keeping us posted!Heather Wilkinson Rojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-19082677896628619612020-01-02T13:07:51.783-08:002020-01-02T13:07:51.783-08:00Still trying to research this as time allows – I g...Still trying to research this as time allows – I get back to it every now and again. Most of the records I’ve seen are a bit ‘off’. <br /><br />Cesar Harvey had only one daughter that seems to have been evidenced: Jane Harvey. I believe “Ginger” to be just a nickname for Jane (perhaps given to her at a young age so as not to confuse her with her mother – also Jane (née Lee). <br /><br />I suspect that Luke Hall, who in Candia records is listed as “a Portuguese” and in family stories of someone I had been working on this line with several years ago, a “Native American”, was the son (likely illegitimate) of Ginger/Jane Harvey. There are no marriage records for a Jane/Ginger Harvey – some accounts I’ve seen give Luke’s father as a “Samuel Hall”, but no hard evidence. <br /><br />Some accounts hold that Luke had a brother, Ralph Hall, also the son of Samuel Hall; however, this Ralph was the son of Samuel Hall and Charity Hall (dau. of Solomon Hall and Abigail Davis). These two married 13.OCT.1795, in Barrington, NH and had 8 children; none of them named Luke. Indeed, Luke was born in 1797, and Samuel and Charity had a daughter, Mary born in November 1796 and another daughter, Abigail, born about 1798, so he’s not their son. <br /><br />It seems rather unlikely that this same Samuel Hall, who lived in Barrington, would have had occasion to meet and have a relationship with a woman (Ginger) who at the same time lived in Londonderry, NH. <br /><br />Part of the puzzle may be in finding out who Ginger sold the land to that her father, Cesar, originally sold to her. The deed would, I believe, be in the Rockingham Co. Registry of Deeds given its location and the town boundaries at the time (I think the same piece of land is now located in what’s Hillsborough Co.). I’ve always wondered if she sold it to Luke and this was the piece of land that was held as collateral, so to speak, until Luke paid off Cesar’s medical bill. <br /><br />Other parents for Luke Hall that I’ve seen are based on a similar birth date - 17.SEP.1797. This Luke Hall was born in Marshfield, MA. His parent are Luke Hall and Anna Tuels; however, this Luke married an Alice Carver and died in MA in, I think, 1862. The 1830 census also squashes this as the Luke in question as there is a Luke Hall living in Marshfield, MA and a Luke Hall living in Candia, NH. Obviously two different individuals. Further, this kills the whole “Portuguese” thing. <br /><br />Luke Hall, who married Sarah Wescott may have been born in 1797 in MA, but it likely was not in Marshfield. On the 1830 census Luke classifies himself as “white”, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything – even if he was ‘Portuguese”, he’d still be considered “white”. <br /><br />Though many of the vital records were lost in the 19830’s fire at the Candia Town Hall, I have to wonder, given that Luke and Sarah were part of the Freelove Movement, if they would have even given their parents’ names on the civil records. <br /><br />I’m sure the answer is out there; it’s just a matter of stumbling on it at this point!<br /><br />Mike S<br />m.szelog@esaternbank.com<br />Mike Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03190919504878054111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-63110220811691781032020-01-02T13:07:32.302-08:002020-01-02T13:07:32.302-08:00Still trying to research this as time allows – I g...Still trying to research this as time allows – I get back to it every now and again. Most of the records I’ve seen are a bit ‘off’. <br /><br />Cesar Harvey had only one daughter that seems to have been evidenced: Jane Harvey. I believe “Ginger” to be just a nickname for Jane (perhaps given to her at a young age so as not to confuse her with her mother – also Jane (née Lee). <br /><br />I suspect that Luke Hall, who in Candia records is listed as “a Portuguese” and in family stories of someone I had been working on this line with several years ago, a “Native American”, was the son (likely illegitimate) of Ginger/Jane Harvey. There are no marriage records for a Jane/Ginger Harvey – some accounts I’ve seen give Luke’s father as a “Samuel Hall”, but no hard evidence. <br /><br />Some accounts hold that Luke had a brother, Ralph Hall, also the son of Samuel Hall; however, this Ralph was the son of Samuel Hall and Charity Hall (dau. of Solomon Hall and Abigail Davis). These two married 13.OCT.1795, in Barrington, NH and had 8 children; none of them named Luke. Indeed, Luke was born in 1797, and Samuel and Charity had a daughter, Mary born in November 1796 and another daughter, Abigail, born about 1798, so he’s not their son. <br /><br />It seems rather unlikely that this same Samuel Hall, who lived in Barrington, would have had occasion to meet and have a relationship with a woman (Ginger) who at the same time lived in Londonderry, NH. <br /><br />Part of the puzzle may be in finding out who Ginger sold the land to that her father, Cesar, originally sold to her. The deed would, I believe, be in the Rockingham Co. Registry of Deeds given its location and the town boundaries at the time (I think the same piece of land is now located in what’s Hillsborough Co.). I’ve always wondered if she sold it to Luke and this was the piece of land that was held as collateral, so to speak, until Luke paid off Cesar’s medical bill. <br /><br />Other parents for Luke Hall that I’ve seen are based on a similar birth date - 17.SEP.1797. This Luke Hall was born in Marshfield, MA. His parent are Luke Hall and Anna Tuels; however, this Luke married an Alice Carver and died in MA in, I think, 1862. The 1830 census also squashes this as the Luke in question as there is a Luke Hall living in Marshfield, MA and a Luke Hall living in Candia, NH. Obviously two different individuals. Further, this kills the whole “Portuguese” thing. <br /><br />Luke Hall, who married Sarah Wescott may have been born in 1797 in MA, but it likely was not in Marshfield. On the 1830 census Luke classifies himself as “white”, but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything – even if he was ‘Portuguese”, he’d still be considered “white”. <br /><br />Though many of the vital records were lost in the 19830’s fire at the Candia Town Hall, I have to wonder, given that Luke and Sarah were part of the Freelove Movement, if they would have even given their parents’ names on the civil records. <br /><br />I’m sure the answer is out there; it’s just a matter of stumbling on it at this point!<br /><br />Mike S<br />m.szelog@esaternbank.com<br />Mike Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03190919504878054111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-56968092446255537292019-02-27T12:19:08.316-08:002019-02-27T12:19:08.316-08:00Dena Heavin: Agnes Blanche Haines is my 2nd great...Dena Heavin: Agnes Blanche Haines is my 2nd great-grandmother, as well! My mom's paternal grandmother is Ida May (Gould) Adams.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15333005070533281630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-88714081139597471622019-02-27T12:15:33.927-08:002019-02-27T12:15:33.927-08:00Thank you so much for this article! I'm a des...Thank you so much for this article! I'm a descendant of Ginger Harvey! She's my 6th great grandmother, through her son, Luke. It was always in our family tree that Luke was her son, however, we didn't know, until I started doing genealogical research for our family that Ginger was an African American slave. There was a legend in our family that we were part Portuguese and Native American, which could be, in part to Luke's attempt to pass, as such. We had a little information about Luke and his father, where he'd lived, etc. but nothing about his mother, except for her name. Very interesting!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15333005070533281630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-87380584770415797392017-08-29T17:23:33.368-07:002017-08-29T17:23:33.368-07:00Agnes Blanche Haines is my 2nd great grandmother o...Agnes Blanche Haines is my 2nd great grandmother on my mom's side. This history is interesting. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12074420029595331086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-76455577624521066312017-08-29T17:22:17.829-07:002017-08-29T17:22:17.829-07:00Agnes Blanche Haines is my 2nd great grandmother o...Agnes Blanche Haines is my 2nd great grandmother on my mom's side. This history is interesting. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12074420029595331086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-16325815693652916502016-09-22T18:36:54.219-07:002016-09-22T18:36:54.219-07:00Ms. Ginger's history is Overwhelming! I loved ...Ms. Ginger's history is Overwhelming! I loved this. Plus the fact you all get a daily dose of History every night! "Passing for White". WoW. Very particular piece and worth sharing! I don't know why I'm always surprised there were People of Color in New Hampshire. I just can't wait to visit! Thanks for this Heather! You teach us so much! Ginger's History is not lost. True Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13940407628932172511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-24201695440235177912013-12-17T12:57:49.849-08:002013-12-17T12:57:49.849-08:00Did you see the comment above by Mike S. of Manche...Did you see the comment above by Mike S. of Manchester? Luke passed himself off as "Portuguese" instead of mixed race, which makes sense because of the time period. I have read many cases of this happening in the Northeast, where it wasn't questioned as much as south of the Mason-Dixon line. Heather Wilkinson Rojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-85513122559478817502013-12-17T11:55:08.914-08:002013-12-17T11:55:08.914-08:00What a wonderful post! I so appreciate the work y...What a wonderful post! I so appreciate the work you do. Such a wealth of information in this post! I feel truly blessed today to have stumbled across it! Thank you so much for all the work you put into it. I am a descendant of Ginger Harvey and her husband, Samuel Hall, through son Luke. He had a daughter Harriet N. Hall, who married Augustus Colby. Thier granddaughter, Agnes Blanche Haines, was my mother's great grandmother. On the marriage certificate I found for Samuel Hall's parents, it did not list their color. In fact, the whole thing was blank except for the names and date. I'd like to know more about Luke, and his father's family. If Samuel Hall's parents were white, how did it come to pass that he married the daughter of African Americans at that time and place in history? My records have Joseph Hall, Samuel's father, as having fought in the Revolution. Also, their was one person of color living in their house, enumerated on the 1820 census record. Could it have been Ginger? My sister and I are both as white can be. I jokingly call my sister "the chalk lady," so I was very surprised to discover this African American family in my tree. I want to find out more about them!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15333005070533281630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-60975026072862998722012-09-10T16:29:48.345-07:002012-09-10T16:29:48.345-07:00Thanks for your kind comments, Mariann. And, yes,...Thanks for your kind comments, Mariann. And, yes, the Robert Frost farm is next door in Derry, on Rt. 28. It is open to visitors, and around the farm land there is a poetry trail you can hike with poems for each landmark along the way. You can guess what poems they posted for the stonewall, a fork in the trail, the pasture, etc...Heather Wilkinson Rojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-59613519253682573862012-09-10T16:13:19.480-07:002012-09-10T16:13:19.480-07:00What an appealing story! The gift of a nice funera...What an appealing story! The gift of a nice funeral and gravestone, for saving a family from their burning house. And the town seems to have taken care of Ginger Harvey in her declining years. A black family, descendants of slaves, who owned land in New Hampshire, and Ginger Harvey's death seems ironically just as the Civil War was ending. I am so impressed by the sources that you found, with Marian Pierre-Louis's help, and the way you fold in the local TV history show, the map of the lake, and Willey's Book of Nutfield. Documents converge from all sides upon your story. (PS Isn't Robert Frost's farm from 1900-1911 in Derry?)Mariann Reganhttp://mariannregan.authorsxpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-77587531708092519882010-10-05T16:48:31.595-07:002010-10-05T16:48:31.595-07:00Hi Heather, Nice blog & good post. overall You...Hi Heather, Nice blog & good post. overall You have beautifully maintained it, you must try this <a href="http://www.blogerzoom.com/freelinkexchange.html" rel="nofollow">website</a> which really helps to increase your traffic. hope u have a wonderful day & awaiting for more new post. Keep Blogging!Maria Mcclainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07257108859219860881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-87924781181041827722010-09-30T12:45:39.235-07:002010-09-30T12:45:39.235-07:00Very interesting. I love Fritz and watch New Hamps...Very interesting. I love Fritz and watch New Hampshire Chronicle almost every night.<br />The descendant of Ginger is lucky to have you as a researcher, will you be in contact with that person or does everything have to go through the Historical Society? Either way, this was a nice piece.Barbara Poolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07440544740334032378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-62298808336484539882010-09-30T08:42:09.334-07:002010-09-30T08:42:09.334-07:00[this comment was added by me via email from the d...[this comment was added by me via email from the descendants mentioned above in the post]<br /><br />The "son" mentioned above was one Luke Hall. He was more likely a grandson, given his birth year of about 1798. Luke married a Sarah Wescott (who was born in Maine, but moved to Candia) and the couple lived in Candia. Luke was most likely of mixed descent as family oral stories say he passed himself off as being Native American or Portuguese. Indeed, Candia town records referencing his name have "a Portuguese" in parenthesis after his name. There are several references in early town records for Deerfield (now Manchester) and early Manchester regarding Luke's family being responsible for Caesar's medical bill. Unfortunately, there seems to be a few Luke Halls living in Manchester at the time so it is unclear whether or not this particular Luke Hall and the Luke Hall mentioned in the records are one in the same - family oral history from a few descendants seems to point to the fact, but to date no "hard evidence" has been located. Candia Town Hall burned at one point and many older records were permanently lost. <br /><br />Records show that Ginger had three brothers; Isaac (b.1773), Caesar (b.1776), Jacob (b.1783), and a sister, Jane (b.1778). Curiously, no birth record for Ginger has been found to date. Her birth year comes solely from census records placing it about 1777, making her in her late eighties when she died. <br /><br />Mike S<br />Manchester, NHHeather Wilkinson Rojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-30626687721164222262010-09-30T06:08:44.374-07:002010-09-30T06:08:44.374-07:00Very, very interesting story!Very, very interesting story!Neil DeLucahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074792624566280297noreply@blogger.com