tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post5399470486324850013..comments2024-03-12T04:00:04.167-07:00Comments on Nutfield Genealogy: A Funny Thing Happened on Our Way to Pick Up Photo Prints…Heather Wilkinson Rojohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-4847645035657093662021-03-25T14:31:47.597-07:002021-03-25T14:31:47.597-07:00I am curious if they require proof that the person...I am curious if they require proof that the person releasing copyright actually took the photos, when a copyright release is provided.Michael Haithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838947327022663525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-80831413824657822992015-12-11T14:37:56.656-08:002015-12-11T14:37:56.656-08:00They would not print a photo of my mother's se...They would not print a photo of my mother's second grade photo (she was 74 at the time and this was in 2008) without a release. I know you need a release, but there is no way to know what photographer took school pictures at a school that is no longer in existence and that was taken over 60 years ago.JenniferDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08203011154517237308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-27829132678123716482015-12-11T08:49:32.012-08:002015-12-11T08:49:32.012-08:00I have only recently begun printing photos at plac...I have only recently begun printing photos at places like Walmart and Costco. I had no idea there could be problems. My great Granduncle and aunt owned a photo studio and many of my photos of ancestors are from that studio. They are long since deceased and the studio is out of business. I do not object to photographers protecting their rights at all. However, this seems like everything else these days, to go overboard in being "correct." My son is a published photographer as a hobby. He takes many of our family photos and has been hired to do weddings. Am I going to have to get a release from him? Seems pretty silly when the photos are taken at a family function. Thanks for this post Heather. At least I am forewarned. Michigan Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00414264287990684010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-29270936699095187342015-12-11T07:40:10.382-08:002015-12-11T07:40:10.382-08:00This is a great article and I am going to have to ...This is a great article and I am going to have to remember that this in the future.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516272783535177524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-36925101180585145732015-03-08T05:10:01.652-07:002015-03-08T05:10:01.652-07:00I have cards in my camera which are no longer made...I have cards in my camera which are no longer made. This means that I put them on the computer so that I can clear the card for further use. I have not printed any photographs for a long time and would not say that I was that good a photographer but the problem may occur when sharing with my family.Hilary Gadsbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03493542134835202291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-50193560096093442262014-07-22T17:58:23.693-07:002014-07-22T17:58:23.693-07:00Thanks, Nicka, for your comments. It's good t...Thanks, Nicka, for your comments. It's good to hear from someone who is BOTH a professional photographer and a genealogist. You have a good point about the photo release. Heather Wilkinson Rojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-52065471941788373942014-07-22T15:35:47.452-07:002014-07-22T15:35:47.452-07:00As a pro photog and genealogist, I think there is ...As a pro photog and genealogist, I think there is one thing that needs to be added to the conversation. Lesson Number 1 notes sharing the print release with family and friends. I'd like to caution against this. Often, the release names the individual who has the print rights to the image, usually the person who has paid for the wedding or those who benefitted (bride and groom). This means that if a family member attempts to use the same release, and their name isn't on it, they can also be turned down for printing. I get questioned about my own images and have had to sign a release on the spot corroborating that they were in fact my images. I'll also post this comment on your blog for those that read there. To add, the laws are in place for cases like this, where the Walton family believes it owns the negatives and rights to images taken of their family by a local photographer and has sued the photographer's widow claiming they are their property. Naw, SO not the case. http://www.ppa.com/.../walmart-files-suit-against-pho.phpNickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444647075017415778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-39391194659796522592013-12-13T06:28:02.082-08:002013-12-13T06:28:02.082-08:00Dave L. sums it up pretty nicely. I'm a hobby ...Dave L. sums it up pretty nicely. I'm a hobby genealogist and a professional photographer so I can see both sides of this issue. To make a long story short let's just say that the store owner has made it clear to their clerks that they do not want and cannot afford to be sued for copyright infringement by photographers whose livelihood may depend on their copyrighted works. The solution is as stated. Get a release from the copyright owner and bring it to the lab when you are having prints made.<br /><br />As far as metadata goes it is way too easy to modify, so the labs can't rely on it. But refusing to print 100 year old photos? Crazy. But some lawsuits are not only crazy but very expensive so the labs are going to err on the side of caution.<br /><br />MichaelMichael Romanhttp://www.michaelromanphoto.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-10683426697668880612013-12-12T14:40:25.838-08:002013-12-12T14:40:25.838-08:00One thing everyone -- and I mean everyone -- needs...One thing everyone -- and I mean everyone -- needs to understand is that ALL photos are copyrighted unless they're old enough to have passed into the public domain. You could argue that those taken by a professional photographer that you've hired are "works for hire" and that you own the copyright, but you still need paperwork to prove that circumstance.<br /><br />I'll be the first to agree that copyright law is ridiculous in terms of length of copyright (life of the producer plus 70 or 100 years, as the case may be, is not my idea of a "limited time"), but the simple fact is that as soon as something is committed to a physical medium it is copyrighted. No registration is required, no notice is required; it's automatic.<br /><br />Dave LAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-79467274812718725892013-12-11T10:52:15.361-08:002013-12-11T10:52:15.361-08:00I've had problems with this, also. I wanted to...I've had problems with this, also. I wanted to have a photo printed of a family member that was around 100 years old, and yes.. a professional photo. Because it was a professional photo and I didn't have the approval from the actual photographer (who I can guarantee has been dead for decades), they wouldn't let me buy the copy. I tried explaining it to them about how old it was and they didn't care.NickMGombashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16782424065305955645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-68587109928469817832013-12-11T10:51:57.856-08:002013-12-11T10:51:57.856-08:00I've had problems with this, also. I wanted to...I've had problems with this, also. I wanted to have a photo printed of a family member that was around 100 years old, and yes.. a professional photo. Because it was a professional photo and I didn't have the approval from the actual photographer (who I can guarantee has been dead for decades), they wouldn't let me buy the copy. I tried explaining it to them about how old it was and they didn't care.NickMGombashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16782424065305955645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-4701487224341217012013-12-11T03:29:21.044-08:002013-12-11T03:29:21.044-08:00Heather, thanks for posting about this and making ...Heather, thanks for posting about this and making me aware... I would never have considered this at all. I agree completely, too-- I certainly agree that professionals should be able to protect their photos, but I don't think clerks should be making this determination of what constitutes a "professional" photo based on opinion. Frankly, that's not their job. Karen Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02595488513595951006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-90954237030452978802013-12-10T06:09:05.640-08:002013-12-10T06:09:05.640-08:00Interesting post. I've had the same thing hap...Interesting post. I've had the same thing happen when trying to print wedding photos from the disk we were given by our daughter-in-law's parents. We ended up being able to print just a few pictures at a time. In the future, if I have a release, I'm going to print and keep it in the folder with the disk. Mary Perkinson nelsonhttp://www.celebratingfamilystories.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-36785591331881516682013-12-09T18:54:54.801-08:002013-12-09T18:54:54.801-08:00I haven't run across that yet. Having photogr...I haven't run across that yet. Having photographs printed shouldn't be this complicated!Gerry Savardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-42941807723962811652013-12-09T14:15:37.203-08:002013-12-09T14:15:37.203-08:00Thanks for warning. I always take photos off my me...Thanks for warning. I always take photos off my memory card and save them to my hard drives usually on the day or day after I take them. Thankfully my pictures don't look professional! GeniAushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074874999181040071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-60143544680710885812013-12-09T14:13:49.875-08:002013-12-09T14:13:49.875-08:00Thanks for warning. I always take photos off my me...Thanks for warning. I always take photos off my memory card and save them to my hard drives usually on the day or day after I take them. Thankfully my pictures don't look professional! GeniAushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074874999181040071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-9266766592399472862013-12-09T13:46:25.253-08:002013-12-09T13:46:25.253-08:00Wow! Good to know especially since I like to do &q...Wow! Good to know especially since I like to do "photography."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-7012999382020037712013-12-09T12:24:06.784-08:002013-12-09T12:24:06.784-08:00Great Post! Hope I don't run into that problem...Great Post! Hope I don't run into that problem. Some of those studios that Parents pictures are on are long gone now. I have the originals. I don't like their discrepancy policy.True Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13940407628932172511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-75044282346705529502013-12-09T09:00:27.473-08:002013-12-09T09:00:27.473-08:00Wow! Who knew? This seems an entirely too subjec...Wow! Who knew? This seems an entirely too subjective standard to survive a legal challenge. The clerk's individual opinion of what "looks" professional -- really? The problem is the cost and inconvenience of challenging something like this. A personal laser printer might be a less expensive and more convenient option in the long run. Great post! Thank you.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139639019457759712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-10461060520661636802013-12-09T08:29:07.266-08:002013-12-09T08:29:07.266-08:00I have had this happen to me. I wore out one photo...I have had this happen to me. I wore out one photo printer that I bought and am now on another one. Midge Frazelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05817669854967092840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-14162776979671707202013-12-09T07:48:30.288-08:002013-12-09T07:48:30.288-08:00Thanks Heather!Thanks Heather!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03989811206337367311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-27366781244602838412013-12-09T07:04:35.515-08:002013-12-09T07:04:35.515-08:00I used Blurb and Shutterfly (in the past) for olde...I used Blurb and Shutterfly (in the past) for older studio photos and for new ones, too, with no problem, but I suppose it is in within their rights to ask for a copyright release. Be sure you know how to find the release (paperwork or electronic versions) just in case this issue comes up in the future. Heather Wilkinson Rojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704949156266722016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-77756640479044526382013-12-09T06:59:57.361-08:002013-12-09T06:59:57.361-08:00I have never had a problem using Snapfish (with pr...I have never had a problem using Snapfish (with professional wedding photographs). I do this by mail. This issue is a good one for people to know. Applying this to older photos - as the commenter mentioned - is just ridiculous. Diane Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01651983086274990288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-34505780537040823292013-12-09T05:17:25.939-08:002013-12-09T05:17:25.939-08:00Wal-Mart refused to print one our pictures that &#...Wal-Mart refused to print one our pictures that 'looked' professional but was not. We even had the picture on our camera card. They also wouldn't print one of my 70 year old family pictures that was taken professionally, but there was no way to obtain a release from a studio that no longer exists. It's ridiculous.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12141489505580784536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3533717770805440813.post-4810549128680754802013-12-09T03:28:06.194-08:002013-12-09T03:28:06.194-08:00Nice blog and place inside this blog looking gorge...Nice blog and place inside this blog looking gorgeous.Wedding venues in Indorehttp://www.zootout.com/indore/places/wedding-venuesnoreply@blogger.com